mm wrote:uncontrollable biologcial urges and genetic defects!
Two strawmen back to back in a mere 6 words. A record of some kind?
No one says it's "uncontrollable" -- humans control their sexual urges all the time.
No one says it's a "genetic defect" -- in fact, it's like nothing of the sort; it's wholly compatible with evolution as has been very clearly discussed.
The very idea you harbor these ideas as a defense mechanisms indicate that there's something very disturbing going on with you, but then you've exposed enough of your upbringing here to make that fairly well known, of your own choice. But as a rebuttal?
Fail and fail again.
I think the one of the more telling issues that uncovers a lot hypocrisy in many liberals is the issue of the adoption of children, where I see people arguing the whole gay ideology spiel and then suddenly play a whole other tune when it comes to that issue. Its like saying those people are good as long as you keep them away from children. What hypocrites! Yeah I know their excuse is some belief that it is important for children to have both male and female parenting, but in that case the burden of proof is on them to PROVE it!
What are you babbling about? Care to support this bit of numbnuttery? Because I can easily dismantle your assertion of through-the-looking-glass jabberwocky:
Meanwhile, conservative activists across the country are working hard to make sure that no court, at any level, has the final word on gay adoption. Like gay marriage before it, conservatives are looking at the issue of who can raise children as one best decided at the ballot box, not in the courthouse. Those efforts received a boost on election day in Arkansas, where voters easily passed a law that restricts any unmarried couple living together from adopting children. Arkansas joined Florida, Nebraska, Utah and Mississippi as the only states with laws that either directly or indirectly ban adoption by gays.
Similar statehouse fights are pending in South Carolina, Georgia, and Tennessee, says gay adoption expert and advocate Jennifer Chrisler, and more are likely to follow, as conservatives try to duplicate their successful strategy to ban gay marriage state by state. "The other side was very strategic about their efforts to ban gay marriage," Chrisler, executive director of the Family Equality Center in Boston, told TIME. "They were able to bring that issue to the attention of the American people well before Americans were ready to have that conversation. They are likely to use a similar strategy when it comes to parenting issues."
Supporters of a traditional definition of marriage have pushed for statewide votes in more than 30 states, and gay marriage has survived in none of them. Those bans, together with existing legislation, make gay marriage expressly illegal in 45 states. And while the outcome of the legal challenges to California's recent vote to ban gay marriage will be watched closely, even gay rights activists say the momentum is draining from the gay marriage fight.
Notice anything about those states? Those bastions of conservative religiosity? Even in California, the vast majority against gay marriage were such thanks to religious fundamentalism.
Now for the flip side, same article:
Several states — including California, Maryland, Massachusetts, Nevada, New Jersey, and New York — already expressly forbid discrimination against gays seeking to adopt. A handful of other states, even without specific legislation, allow gay adoption.
From the Pew forum:
Among religious groups, majorities of white mainline Protestants (56%) and white non-Hispanic Catholics (54%) express support for allowing gays and lesbians to adopt children. In contrast, white evangelical Protestants and black Protestants oppose the practice by large margins, with 66% of white evangelical Protestants and 60% of black Protestants expressing opposition to adoption by same-sex couples.
Let's note that while blacks are often democrats, they are a far smaller segment of the population and so 60% of black protestants are far less in number than 66% of white protestants, which is a huge number of the overall population.
A note to the wise: whenever mitch flings the bullshit word, it more often than not lands on him than it does on his targets.